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strider3700
55 weeks ago • Sunday 2009-01-18 22:56:00 • Reply
losing 1000 jobs a week is serious in ireland? I'm pretty sure canada has been losing roughly 15000 jobs a week. Somehow the general discussion is things are nasty but far from end of the world around here.


Madpaddy
55 weeks ago • Monday 2009-01-19 00:20:00 • Reply
Hi guys,

Thanks for the nice sentiments. One thing is for sure. We will show the world how to ignore a recession. The 1000 jobs a week is an average since the downturn began. However, in December the figure of jobless for the month was 23,000. That equates to a US figure of about 1,700,000.

On a positive note, there is a big political push for a green economy. Focusing on wind and tidal power, implementing a carbon tax etc. Who knows, maybe the downturn will allow all our countries to descend without anarchy towards a Cuba like situation.


Madpaddy
55 weeks ago • Monday 2009-01-19 00:29:00 • Reply
As our country officially becomes a banana republic, here are some jokes I pulled from one of our most popular internet forums. Enjoy.

Whats the definition of optimism? A financier that irons five shirts on a Sunday.

Whats the difference between a wall street trader and a pigeon? A pigeon can still lay a deposit on a BMW.

Following the problems in the sub-prime lending market in America and the run on HBOS in the UK, uncertainty has now hit Japan.
In the last 7 hours Origami Bank has folded, Sumo Bank has gone belly up and Bonsai Bank announced plans to cut some of its branches. Yesterday, it was announced that Karaoke Bank is up for sale and will likely go for a song, while today shares in Kamikaze Bank were suspended after they nose-dived.
Samurai Bank is soldiering on following sharp cutbacks, Ninja Bank is reported to have taken a hit, but they remain in the black.
Furthermore, 500 staff at Karate Bank got the chop and analysts report that there is something fishy going on at Sushi Bank where it is feared that staff may get a raw deal.

Went to the ATM today and it said insufficient funds
I thought Them or me.............

A concerned customer asked his stock broker if the recent market decline and volitility worried him.
The broker told him that he has been sleeping like a baby.
“Really?!?” replied the customer.
“Absolutely,” said the broker, “I sleep for about an hour, wake up, and then cry for about an hour.”


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Merged with THE Ireland Thread.


Hiderow
55 weeks ago • Monday 2009-01-19 06:28:00 • Reply
absolute carnage on the Irish stock exchange this morning, -50% on banking shares :shock:

Madpaddy
55 weeks ago • Monday 2009-01-19 08:49:00 • Reply
Note from the Irish Stock Exchange.

Share certificates will now be printed on luxuriant pliable paper so when the stocks themselves become worthless, at least you will be able to wipe your arse with the certificates.


Denny
55 weeks ago • Monday 2009-01-19 14:47:00 • Reply
Madpaddy wrote:
Note from the Irish Stock Exchange.

Share certificates will now be printed on luxuriant pliable paper so when the stocks themselves become worthless, at least you will be able to wipe your arse with the certificates.


You Irish are the real world leaders - the first "R" of environmentalism - re-use!

da23
55 weeks ago • Monday 2009-01-19 15:31:00 • Reply
Gay Burn used to be pretty good, his name wasn't liked much by the PC ppl over here tho....

GASMON
55 weeks ago • Tuesday 2009-01-20 13:32:00 • Reply
Time to worry is when the Guinness brewery closes.

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GASMON
55 weeks ago • Tuesday 2009-01-20 13:39:00 • Reply
Patrick walks into a bar in Dublin, orders three pints of Guinness and sits in the corner of the room, drinking a sip out of each pint in turn. When he had finished all three, he went back to the bar and ordered three more. The barman says, "You know a pint goes flat soon after I pull it ... your pint would taste better if you bought one at a time." Patrick replies, "Well now, I have two brodders, one is in America and de odder in Australia and here I am in Dublin . When we all left home, we promised dat we'd drink dis way to remember de days we all drank togedder."

The barman admits that this is a nice custom and says no more. Patrick becomes a regular customer and always drinks the same way ... ordering three pints and drinking a sip out of each in turn, until they are finished. One day, he comes in and orders just two pints. All the other regulars in the bar notice and fall silent. When he goes back to the bar for the second round, the barman says, "I don't want to intrude on your grief but I wanted to offer my condolences on your great loss." Patrick looks confused for a moment, then the penny drops and he starts to laugh, "Oh no," he says, "Bejesus, everyone is fine! Tis me ... I've quit drinking!"


eXpat
51 weeks ago • Sunday 2009-02-15 08:00:00 • Reply
Ireland ‘could default on debt’
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FEARS are mounting that Ireland could default on its soaring national debt pile, amid continuing worries about its troubled banking sector. The cost of buying insurance against Irish government bonds rose to record highs on Friday, having almost tripled in a week. Debt-market investors now rank Ireland as the most troubled economy in Europe.

Simon Johnson, the former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, called for this weekend’s meeting of G7 finance ministers to put Ireland’s troubles at the top of the agenda.

Johnson said: “Don’t, please, tell me more about the basic principles of financial reform unless and until you have addressed the Irish problem. And don’t tell me the Irish have to sort this out for themselves. Eventually, the world always comes to help; check your notes on Iceland.
...
Following the scandal at Anglo Irish Bank over undisclosed loans, the market fears there are more hidden problems that could ultimately fall to the state to resolve. With Ireland set to borrow an additional €15 billion (£13.4 billion) this year, the national debt pile will hit €70 billion.

The cost of insuring Irish debt hit 350 basis points on Friday, meaning that for every £100 of debt it would cost £3.50 to insure against default. A year ago it would have cost 10p to insure every £100 of Irish debt.

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mattduke
51 weeks ago • Monday 2009-02-16 18:46:00 • Reply
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Fears are growing that Ireland could default on its national debt after the cost to insure against possible losses on loans to the country rose to record highs at the end of last week.

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Merged with THE Ireland Thread.


eXpat
49 weeks ago • Sunday 2009-03-01 08:22:00 • Reply
Breaking point for the eurozone?
Ireland's 'miracle' economy has turned terrifyingly sour - and as it strains against the inflexibility of the euro, its next crisis may shake the entire EU
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But the most startling fact to emerge this week is that the country which is seen as the most vulnerable, and therefore the most likely to ditch the euro, is not Slovenia, or Cyprus, or Greece, but Ireland.

Until a year ago, the Republic's Celtic Tiger economy, which attracted such blue-chip companies as Dell, Microsoft and Intel, seemed unstoppable. In a decade, the Irish economy grew by almost 90 per cent, catapulting it from one of the poorest countries in Europe to the fourth-richest per capita. Government advisers from as far afield as Chile and Israel made pilgrimages to marvel at a model that they were desperate to emulate.

Not any more. All of a sudden, Ireland's debt-fuelled economy, built largely on a construction boom, has collapsed in a more spectacular manner than almost any other in Europe. Irish government bonds are rated as the riskiest in the EU (see graphic), and there has been panicky talk of Ireland as "the next Iceland".

On the streets, there is a whiff of revolution, with 120,000 people staging Dublin's biggest mass rally in 30 years last weekend to protest at the government's handling of the economy and its decision to impose what amounted to a pay cut on public sector workers. The unions have now threatened a "Doomsday" strike next month if the prime minister, Brian Cowen, does not think again. As the celebrated Irish economist David McWilliams put it: "The entire Irish episode will be studied internationally in years to come as an example of how not to do things."
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Irish families on middle and even low incomes cashed in their pensions or borrowed heavily to buy second, third or even fourth properties, believing they could rent them out to the migrant workers who had caused net immigration for the first time in Ireland's history. They could borrow from banks that enjoyed one of the loosest regulatory regimes in Europe, and which shipped in money from abroad to further stoke up the boom.

Ireland now has up to 350,000 empty homes – more than its entire private rental market – many of them simply abandoned as builders went bust. House prices are expected to fall by 80 per cent.

Ireland might have been able to withstand Europe's most savage property collapse had not its export trade been shredded at the same by currency devaluation in its two key markets – Britain and America.

The relative rise in the value of the euro against sterling and the dollar has made Irish goods – and wages – prohibitively expensive. Businesses in the north of the Republic are on their knees because competitors in Northern Ireland are undercutting them by as much as half.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/4864532/Breaking-point-for-the-eurozone.html
The piper is knocking at the door and it has a fairly big invoice.


Jupidu
19 weeks ago • Tuesday 2009-09-29 11:44:00 • Reply
I do have no doubt that Ireland will be able to manage it's financial problems so that there is no surrender to the EU commission or to big banks in Europe or in the states necessary.

Ireland still has a lot of nature. Nature shows the way how to manage things: Everything is recycled, nothing is left alone.
350.000 empty houses means with an average area of 400 square meters roughly 140 square kilometers (20 km x 7km).
All this area now lies under a layer of a bitumen or concrete.

Heating can be done with wind: Just plug an electrical heating cartridge in your heat storage tank and connect it with an intelligent control, so when there is a lot of wind all the heat storage tanks will be heated up.

Is there any sort of agroforestry in Ireland (fields where arable crops are combined with trees)?


I'm really afraid of that what will be coming when the lisbon treaty would be signed (more GMOs, more military, more nuclear power, less civil rights, etc.).

Why do we, the people in Europe, are ignored by the politicians in deciding about our own future?
Not even our politicians have read the whole treaty completely. 432 pages full of complicated phrases of jurists.
Why isn't it possible to make it step by step?
For example first one referendum in each european country about the way how to come to an decision (majority decides about a theme).
Why couldn't the very well paid politicians from the european parlament hold meetings with their voters to discuss all the points in the treaty (or step by step)?

Everything in a hurry so that nobody really understands. Nobody would really dare to protest against inhuman conditions - hiden in the treaty.
That isn't democratic, that is a sort of democratic dictatorship.

I will owe you two holidays in Ireland when it comes to 'NO'. ;-)

eXpat
13 weeks ago • Thursday 2009-11-05 09:39:00 • Reply
Huge loss of €1bn fuels bailout fears at Bank of Ireland
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BANK of Ireland reported pre-tax losses of almost €1bn (£895m) yesterday and warned it may need another state bailout.

The bank, which has 44 branches in Northern Ireland and runs a financial services joint venture with the UK Post Office, said the past six months had been difficult as it gave a cautious appraisal of future economic prospects.

Shares in Ireland’s biggest bank have slid on fears that delays in the launch of the National Asset Management Agency (NAMA) would hinder attempts to raise capital privately.

“While the group’s strong preference would be to raise capital from private sources... ultimately it may be required to seek capital from the Irish government,” Bank of Ireland said in a statement.

http://www.cityam.com/news-and-analysis/6486s16y7t.html


eXpat
5 weeks ago • Friday 2010-01-01 14:18:00 • Reply
Yes, you read well, no Iran, Ireland :shock:
New Blasphemy Law in Ireland
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Approved by the Irish parliament, it states: "A person who publishes or utters blasphemous matter shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable upon conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding 25,000 euro."

Furthermore, "a person publishes or utters blasphemous matter if (a) he or she publishes or utters matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion, and (b) he or she intends, by the publication or utterance of the matter concerned, to cause such outrage."
Although it provides for exceptions to prosecution if a "reasonable person" finds literary, scientific or other significant value in a work, it would allow for atheists to be prosecuted for denying the existence of God, a denial that clearly causes outrage in many.

Those writing parodies and bad jokes would also be liable to the 25,000 euro fine. Even an innocuous riff on God rescinding the Bible in the middle of the night the way Amazon called back the Orwell book from its Kindle reader could be prosecuted.

And if the reaction of some irate readers of my book is any indication, so could an imagined instant message exchange between me and God that appears in the book.
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The law also allows for the confiscation of blasphemous materials -- novels, non-fiction books, short videos, full-length movies, etc.

I´m linking to 3 different sources, because i coudn´t believe it myself, here they are:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WhosCounting/story?id=8222603&page=1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/jul/09/ireland-blasphemy-laws
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0713/1224250543694.html
Not need to study about obscurantism in the middle ages, we are about to see it in person. :|


timmac
5 weeks ago • Friday 2010-01-01 15:59:00 • Reply
Ad hom attack deleted.

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2.1.4 Avoid flaming and ad hominem attacks within the regular forums. Flaming and ad hominem attacks are most definitely off-topic.


eXpat
5 weeks ago • Friday 2010-01-01 20:39:00 • Reply
timmac wrote:
Ad hom attack deleted.

I had to post several sources, because i coud´t believe it as well, here is another one
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Secular campaigners in the Irish Republic defied a strict new blasphemy law which came into force today by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations online and promising to fight the legislation in court.

The new law, which was passed in July, means that blasphemy in Ireland is now a crime punishable with a fine of up to €25,000 (£22,000).

It defines blasphemy as "publishing or uttering matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters sacred by any religion, thereby intentionally causing outrage among a substantial number of adherents of that religion, with some defences permitted".

The justice minister, Dermot Ahern, said that the law was necessary because while immigration had brought a growing diversity of religious faiths, the 1936 constitution extended the protection of belief only to Christians.
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Sixstrings
5 weeks ago • Friday 2010-01-01 23:47:00 • Reply
The Catholic Church is very strong in Ireland. For Pete's sake, even abortion is outright illegal in that country.

Honestly, the Irish ought to focus a little bit more on the sins of hubris and greed -- their nation is on the verge of default, after all.

EDIT: And for the record, Europeans no longer have any right to laugh at us over Kentucky's "Creationist Museum." At least in Kentucky a woman has a right to an abortion, and a man has the right to think and speak as he wishes.

IrishFarmer
1 day ago • Monday 2010-02-08 08:47:00 • Reply
Sixstrings wrote:
The Catholic Church is very strong in Ireland.
Sadly, no. But luckily we have the mightu god of consumerism to take it's place. Zombies at the Mall and all that.
Sixstrings wrote:
For Pete's sake, even abortion is outright illegal in that country.
And quite right too. Yes, I said it.
Sixstrings wrote:
Honestly, the Irish ought to focus a little bit more on the sins of hubris and greed -- their nation is on the verge of default, after all.
As compared to who? How's California doing? Ohhhhh I see what you did there - sins!
Sixstrings wrote:
EDIT: And for the record, Europeans no longer have any right to laugh at us over Kentucky's "Creationist Museum." At least in Kentucky a woman has a right to an abortion, and a man has the right to think and speak as he wishes.
If pre-partum infanticide is your thing, well score one for you. And as stupid as this blasphemy law really is, it was actually passed to protect minorities, not the Catholic Church. And for the record, "European" is not a singular nationality or ethnicity - we do quite well laughing at each other, when we are not killing each other. And we still laugh at you :-D


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IrishFarmer
1 day ago • Monday 2010-02-08 09:01:00 • Reply
timmac wrote:
Ad hom text deleted. :lol:
I'm a new poster, and I want to follow the rules about no ad hominem attacks, so I won't resort to snark... but using racial or ethnic insults doesn't exactly reinforce an intelligent argument, sport. It's not even the insult, as much of the complete lack of originality and wit in it's application that's annoying. Try harder!


rangerone314
1 day ago • Monday 2010-02-08 09:16:00 • Reply
Its all well and good to harp on drunk Irish, but how about Russians and their vodka, English and their pubs, Germans and their beer, its not like the Irish are special in that regards.

With 4 million people and more pastoral landscape and considering the land areas, Ireland would seem to have a better chance post-peak oil than Britain does with over 50 million.

When I was there, I was struck though at how much peat was being used... it must be vastly more than replenishment...



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