Hey, yesplease, I guess we're in the same club of people now on cube's ignore list. I find it quite an honor. He has proved himself to be a sexist idiot by posting the following on the neighboring thread (which was started by Leanan, no less!!)

"When PO reaches the point where bleeding-heart liberal feminist women talk about topics like EROEI or overshoot in coffee shops instead of "universal health care" or "Sex in the City" or whatever the hell it is that women talk about then I will consider it mainstream.

PO awareness has to extend beyond just a bunch of men visiting an internet message board."

What a f'n idiot.

And yes, Cash, you are also an idiot, because you are not just ignorant, but willfully so, insisting on ignoring overwhelming evidence accepted by every major established scientific body in the world that has weighed in on the issue of global warming.

Maybe by repeating your inanities over and over (something you denialists seem to revel in) you will convince yourself that some kind of tide has turned.

But the direction of the tide is against you. Not even Exxon denies AGW any more. You and your ilk are exactly like the Japanese soldiers stranded on remote Pacific islands that kept fighting WWII long after it was over.

Get a grip, and get a life.

Quite wrong, and time will time.

My only regret is that I can't take your money the same way I've taken the money of fools who bet against Peak Oil.

Yeah, it is.





Do you think these turbines will save the world?

Save the world? ha ha ha
I believe there will be a great die-off.
When the dust finally settles this planet will have less than half the people.
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I'm just having a good laugh at "mainstream" environmentalists.
On one hand they support windmills.
however...
They also tend to support small scale, decentralized systems.
These windmills are certainly NOT "small" so what's an environmentalists to do?

Naysayers do bring the world forward (wherever that is) when they veto misallocation of resources or dispel false perceptions that may lead to the same. Alas by the very nature of their work, their contribution to society remains forever invisible.



Concluding something is impossible can save resources that would otherwise be wasted on a mistake. That is certainly participating in a solution. Conversely, erroneously concluding something is possible can be deleterious.

A lot of the world's problems are due to rushed "solutions" implemented in a wasteful fashion. The temptation to shout "Don't just stand there, do something!" is strong, but that is just more of the same sort of thinking that led us to this crisis. Unfortunately we will see more public examples of this from people who believe we can do anything, and who are capable of tying down precious capital attempting to do everything. It need not be this way if the public boos loud enough to force them to check whether what they just said is stupid.

Yep. A little irony there.

This is what happens when naysayers fail to injecting "common-sense" into the world and visionaries get their way all the time:
1) smell-o-vision
2) "e-commerce" back in the 1990's (people invested their money in this!)
3) we can thank "visionaries" for the invention of the sub-prime home mortgage

10 trillion for a new electrical grid that will produce lots of electricity for centuries is worth the cost. Where do we get the money from? We borrow, hell we're good at that. In the later 1800's, we went way in debt over our GDP to build railroads and it was worth every penny.

I don't understand people who use the argument that we are going down, so why bother? My answer to that is that if you are going to go down, you might as well go down in style.

At ~$200-400 billion per year in externalized costs from coal alone I don't think a mostly Carbon free grid would need to last a hundred years to pay itself off. Maybe ~25-50 years or so if we only count the externalized costs of coal... Course, no one is stopping us from using "cheap" coal, except for the coal industry and it's lobby.

Even if man made CO2 increased the earth's temperature by about 1 to 2 degrees, there would be absolutely no change in climate whatsoever.

And this is based on????

You're an endless source of amusement. I love the goalpost moving here.

"Wah! Global warming's a myth!"

"Okay, global warming's happening, but it's not mannade."

"Even if it is man causing it, it can't be THAT bad. Only a couple of degrees, right?"

Algore, the environment guru, has a big house, flies in big planes and now... captains a big boat. "There is no question that the alarmism and doomsday scenarios spread by Al Gore have been very, very beneficial to him personally and professionally.

But the question persists as to whether he actually buys into what he is selling. His own behavior clearly indicates that he doesn’t believe we are at a “tipping point” of worldwide environmental destruction. While he preaches that the rest of us must dramatically change our lifestyles and lower our standards of living to “save the planet” he lives by another set of rules himself."

Gore Hits the Waves with a Massive New Houseboat

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Merged with THE Al Gore Thread.

Personally, I couldn't care less about what Al Gore does. The points he raises are still valid and needed points for wide discussion.

I do admit that his personal choices do make it easier for shameless detractors to attack his arguments though, and that's a shame.

Gore talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Our city is about to be sacrificed to the CO2 peddlers / meddlers.
www.palmerston-north.info
You can't smell CO2 but you sure can smell corruption.

I'd rather have a horizon full of wind tunbines any day than the old coal fired power plant we have here.

DK

Horizon, maybe, but forty story turbines as litle as 400 metres from homes is Stalinesque. Here is the wind output from the wind farm nearby - which only 6 people objected to by the way,
http://www.turiteareserve.org.nz/node/7

That intermittancy can only be covered by thermal generation which needs to be on hot standby. The solution is obvious - use less electricity in the first place - fat chance though, has anyone ever campaigned for austerity and won?

I was going to install a few CFLs, but Al Gore's yacht just wiped out all the potential savings, so why should I bother?

Hmmm, an Al Gore thread! A little stale but what is he up to these days anyway?

OwlGore? I'd guess he's up to about 320, give or take a pound.

Umber

Nothing in the news. It's like a media blackout on big Al? This was all I could dig up on him. The British invented much of the Internet: link
So Al might have invented the internet but he didn't invent packet switching.

Maybe he is holding a global warming conference with Osama bin Laden in Langley, Virginia?