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TheDude
5 weeks ago • Monday 2010-01-25 16:31:00 • Reply
Urban Heat Island Myth is Dead

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Another climate change denier myth - this one a favorite of Anthony Watts and his "Watts Up With That" blog - has just bit the dust.

Many skeptics for years have sought to explain away decades of climate research by showing slides of weather station thermometers sited next to heating vents or surrounded by asphalt.

This much-touted “urban heat island effect” was supposed to trump all those fancy graphs and equations that egghead scientists were fixated on. Except it’s not true.

A recent peer-reviewed paper in the Journal of Geophysical Research looked at data from 114 weather stations from across the US over the last twenty years and compared measurements from locations that were well sited and those that weren’t.

They did find an overall bias, but it was towards cooling rather warming.

According to the authors,

“the bias is counter intuitive to photographic documentation of poor exposure because associated instrument changes have led to an artificial negative (“cool”) bias in maximum temperatures and only a slight positive (“warm”) bias in minimum temperatures.”

Oops.


Doubt that will sway you, rock, others may take interest. I see that Callendar took this into account way back in 1938, as have all who followed in his wake.

Why should I listen to a geologist, however informed? That goes exponential for many posters on this site. If anybody cares: Logicalscience.com - The Consensus On Global Warming/Climate Change: From Science to Industry & Religion

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Climate change critics like Richard Lindzen try to say "There's no consensus on global warming." in the Wall Street Journal, in front of Congress, and many other places. This argument has also been made repeatedly on Fox News.1,2 Other researchers like Dean Dr. Mark H. Thiemens say this "has nothing to do with reality".1,2,3 The following is a list of quotes from scientific organizations, academies, scientists, industry spokesmen, etc supporting the existence of man made climate change and the need to take action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Many of these quotes reference the IPCC or Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change which is widely regarded by mainstream scientists as either the "most reliable" or one of the most reliable sources for accurate information on climate change. As you will notice, the evidence against the consensus critics like Lindzen and pundits on Fox News is overwhelming. If you are confused as to whose opinion matters, just pay attention to the peer review science journals and the National Academy of Sciences. For those that don't know, the National Academies are like the Supreme Court of science. The number of climate scientists in the US can be found by examining the members of the American Geophysical Union (AGU). As of November 10, 2006 we know that there is a minimum (no official count of foreign climatologists is available) of 20,000 working climatologists worldwide 1,2. An important fact to remember is that many high profile critics you see in the news do not qualify as climate scientists when these standards are applied. Keep both of these concepts in mind the next time you see a handful of self proclaiming "climate scientists" with dissenting opinions. It is also important to note that Exxon Mobil is funding a $10,000 bounty for climate denialists and skeptics. If only 2% of the 20,000 climatologists were bought out then we'd have 400 deniers (skeptics are convinced by science not money). If you have suggestions for the addition of other quotes please post them at our blog.


I'd rather appeal to authority than spend hours digging up proofs to hash over this issue, I have better things to do. What the AGW side really needs to work on is PR, since this is a political issue foremost at this stage. I have little faith in their accomplishing much, most people take their cue on global warming from what's coming out of talk radio or whether it's snowing/boiling hot out.

Peak oil is much more grey an issue, imho, hence worth delving into. Even the AGW proponents who bring it up consider it a transient issue of little importance; Hansen's paper referenced the Hirsch report, for example, which was little more than a cursory examination of a supply side buildup. The really rigorous work on it apart from Laherrère and Campbell is coming from bloggers like Stuart Staniford.


pablonite
5 weeks ago • Monday 2010-01-25 18:34:00 • Reply
TheDude wrote:
I'd rather appeal to authority than spend hours digging up proofs to hash over this issue, I have better things to do. What the AGW side really needs to work on is PR, since this is a political issue foremost at this stage. I have little faith in their accomplishing much, most people take their cue on global warming from what's coming out of talk radio or whether it's snowing/boiling hot out.

Peak oil is much more grey an issue, imho, hence worth delving into. Even the AGW proponents who bring it up consider it a transient issue of little importance; Hansen's paper referenced the Hirsch report, for example, which was little more than a cursory examination of a supply side buildup. The really rigorous work on it apart from Laherrère and Campbell is coming from bloggers like Stuart Staniford.


The philosophy behind your first paragraph is that you don't question the authority whom you suspect won't be accomplishing much and could be spending more on PR than the science you have no time to hash over? You may be right!

I agree with your second paragraph completely. If you juxtapose the proposed CO2 reductions requested by the authorities with the average forecasted peak of hydrocarbons you would think of some rather large conflicts of interest occuring in the middle east. So just don't think about putting the two together until your ready!

ralfy
5 weeks ago • Tuesday 2010-01-26 05:52:00 • Reply
"Good news: The Himalayan glaciers will probably endure past 2035. Bad news: If we don't reverse our emissions trend soon, their disappearance is likely to become irreversible before then."

http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/18/s ... evel-rise/

rockdoc123
5 weeks ago • Tuesday 2010-01-26 07:42:00 • Reply
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Doubt that will sway you, rock, others may take interest. I see that Callendar took this into account way back in 1938, as have all who followed in his wake.


This recent paper cheery picked information from Watts website and published it without acknowledgment or so much as a “what do you think” query. Interestingly enough neither Watts nor Pielke were asked to peer review it even though Pielke has published a number of papers on the problems with surface measurements.

Apparently Watts is in the process of finishing his own publication which will illustrate the issues. Note that it just isn’t Watts talking about this…just recently we've seen the same issuing arising in Russia and Australia and it’s pretty hard to argue about the drop out in stations worldwide which biases towards warmer stations.

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I'd rather appeal to authority than spend hours digging up proofs to hash over this issue, I have better things to do. What the AGW side really needs to work on is PR, since this is a political issue foremost at this stage. I have little faith in their accomplishing much, most people take their cue on global warming from what's coming out of talk radio or whether it's snowing/boiling hot out.


Not sure if you’re living in a vacuum or not but the “authority” you reference is up to their necks in controversy as it is being shown that more and more of their claims were not based on peer reviewed literature, something they claimed they did not do.

Believe what you want…..that’s why there are religions and zeolots.
Please ignore the man behind the curtain.

rangerone314
5 weeks ago • Tuesday 2010-01-26 07:45:00 • Reply
All this stuff about CO2 yet if you control methane you get faster results regarding global warming (within 10 years) and avoid nasty feedbacks. (bacteria produce methane more efficiently when it is warmer, and methane makes it warmer)

Methane control would reduce ground level ozone which damages human health and crops and you would see direct financial benefit from that.


mcgowanjm
5 weeks ago • Tuesday 2010-01-26 07:53:00 • Reply
rockdoc123 wrote:
Not sure if you’re living in a vacuum or not but the “authority” you reference is up to their necks in controversy as it is being shown that more and more of their claims were not based on peer reviewed literature, something they claimed they did not do.

Believe what you want…..that’s why there are religions and zeolots.
Please ignore the man behind the curtain.


You're confusing media with science:

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MEMO TO MEDIA: Please start doing some damn journalism — like placing a simple phone call to a primary source. A great many “newspapers” like the Daily Mail are no more reliable than the websites of the anti-science disinformers, like the thoroughly discredited ClimateDepot of Marc Morano.

In an exclusive interview — “exclusive” in the sense that many of the people smearing Dr. Murari Lal haven’t bothered to ask him whether the original story was accurate — Dr. Lal asserts that the “most vilest allegations” in the Daily Mail story are utterly false.



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Even though the U.S. financial system nearly experienced a total meltdown in late 2008, the truth is that most Americans simply have no idea what is happening to the U.S. economy. Most people seem to think that the nasty little recession that we have just been through is almost over and that we will be experiencing another time of economic growth and prosperity very shortly. But this time around that is not the case. The reality is that we are being sucked into an economic black hole from which the U.S. economy will never fully recover.


Combine the effort to get back to the PreCrash BAU
with the same efforts to deny that humans affect Climate
and for the worse. You get civilization crashing.

pablonite
5 weeks ago • Tuesday 2010-01-26 09:21:00 • Reply
mcgowanjm wrote:
You're confusing media with science:

TheDude wrote:
Why should I listen to a geologist, however informed? That goes exponential for many posters on this site. If anybody cares: Logicalscience.com - The Consensus On Global Warming/Climate Change: From Science to Industry & Religion

That's an interesting article you linked to Dude!

http://www.logicalscience.com/consensus/consensusD1.htm

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Many of these quotes reference the IPCC or Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change which is widely regarded by mainstream scientists as either the "most reliable" or one of the most reliable sources for accurate information on climate change.

This is THE question of the thread indeed, are they the "trusted, reliable source of information" our media keeps telling us they are?
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It is also important to note that Exxon Mobil is funding a $10,000 bounty for climate denialists and skeptics. If only 2% of the 20,000 climatologists were bought out then we'd have 400 deniers (skeptics are convinced by science not money).


It's almost as if the writer fails to read their own manifesto of "truth" because at the bottom we find out who really funds and supports climate change regulation along with the talking heads of various universities and western governments....

Shell Oil
British Petroleum
DuPont
Goldman Sachs
JPMorgan Chase
NRG Energy
Duke Energy
General Electric
Swiss Re. – (The world's second largest reinsurance company1,2)
Statoil
Citigroup
GlaxoSmithKline
The Pentagon

And 20,000 climatoligists? What happens to all of their funding if the science points towards BAU reagrding the climate?

This is a done deal, the banks along with their corporate shells are taking global control of carbon emissions to go along with their death grip on the monetary systems of the world.

IMO, this is the crux of the problem. If you have a corrupt monetary system that decides who gets money and who doesn't it in effect directs society down a predefined path choosen by those distributing the money.

GE, Sachs, the Pentagon...these are some of players driving the military industrial complex who emit more CO2 in a single day than most countries so of course their solutions have nothing to do with reducing their own emissions but securing them through the laws they are about to write.

Everyone is confusing media with science. I just follow the money. Exxons $10,000 in one hand is small potatoes when your investing in a quadrillion dollar carbon market with the other. It's called fraud and it's been around for centuries.

pablonite
5 weeks ago • Tuesday 2010-01-26 10:07:00 • Reply
This is a good read on the manufacturing of climate change consensus scientists by your typical think tanks with many real world examples cited like Stephen Schneider, John Holdren, Dr. George Woodwell and Dr. James Lovelock.

http://inthesenewtimes.com/2009/11/29/1 ... -was-born/
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Mead began organizing for her conference, “The Atmosphere: Endangered and Endangering,” shortly after she had attended the United Nations Population Conference in Bucharest, Romania, in August 1974...

...What Scientists Need To ‘Invent’
Here’s what Mead wanted the atmospheric scientists to do:

What we need to invent—as responsible scientists—are ways in which farsightedness can become a habit of the citizenry of the diverse peoples of this planet. This, of course, poses a set of technical problems for social scientists, but they are helpless without a highly articulate and responsible expression of position on the part of natural scientists. Only if natural scientists can develop ways of making their statements on the present state of danger credible to each other can we hope to make them credible (and understandable) to social scientists, politicians, and the citizenry...

...Mead’s population-control policy was firmly based in the post-Hitler eugenics movement, which took on the more palatable names of “conservation” and “environmentalism” in the post-World War II period. As Julian Huxley, the vice president of Britain’s Eugenics Society (1937-44), had announced in 1946, “even though it is quite true that radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.” Huxley was then director-general of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)...

...The rock-sex-drugs counterculture of the ‘68ers lapped it up. Man was seen as just another animal, but an exceedingly greedy one, using up Mother Nature’s resources and making a mess in the process. The unique cognitive ability of the human being, with its power to create new resources, to develop more advanced science and technology, and thus to provide better living standards was trashed.[3] Scientific pessimism invaded the scientific organizations.

Mead played a central role in this degeneration, from her obsession with spreading the “free love” message, to her participation in mind-control projects (the Cybernetics group at MIT) with her third husband, Gregory Bateson, intellectual author of the infamous MK-Ultra drug-brainwashing program...


Lore
5 weeks ago • Tuesday 2010-01-26 10:07:00 • Reply
It requires far less money to criticize the science then it does to come up with it.

Of course the intention of corporate America is to just maintain a level of doubt, as the tobacco industry once did. Pretend to be concerned while milking the cow for as long as they can. They're foresight extends as far as the next positive quarterly report.


rangerone314
5 weeks ago • Tuesday 2010-01-26 10:41:00 • Reply
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Man was seen as just another animal, but an exceedingly greedy one,
Sounds like an accurate assessment.

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using up Mother Nature’s resources and making a mess in the process.
hmmmm... Exxon Valdez, Alberta Tar Sands, Amazon rainforest, mountaintop removal mining, Easter Island...

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The unique cognitive ability of the human being, with its power to create new resources,

Do humans CREATE new resources, or discover them? We didn't create coal or petroleum, we discovered what already existed. Are we suddenly going to discover dilithium crystals underground in some remote cave?

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to develop more advanced science and technology, and thus to provide better living standards was trashed.
Better living standards for SOME... and great, when you get cancer from corporate-generated pollution, you can now pay for advanced science to make your hair fall out while they try and cure you.

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Scientific pessimism invaded the scientific organizations

Recognition of reality is often mistaken for pessimism, as both are often a result of experience trumping blind faith.


Geologist
5 weeks ago • Friday 2010-01-29 07:16:00 • Reply
rockdoc123 wrote:
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Why does climatology (to you) require "direct proof" when other sciences merely require a robust theory?


actually no....in pretty much every aspect of geology we look at "hard physical proofs" to test theories. As an example time and again in the Abiotic Oil thread i"ve pointed to the physical proof for organic origins of oil and the lack of physical proof for abiotic oil natually occuring. Plate tectonics is a theory for which there is lots of physical proof....magnetic banding in the seafloor, fit of the continents, seismic benioff zones associated with subduction zones, acidic volcanoes associated with backarc areas etc.
In biological sciences the same I think is true as it is in chemical engineering and a host of other sciences. You have a theory and then look to the direct proofs for that theory. Astrophysics is probably one of the areas where it is extremely difficult to find direct proofs.
Without proof all you have is a theory and no way to test it against the physical world.


According laws of physics it's impossible oil formation from biological detritus.

TheDude
5 weeks ago • Friday 2010-01-29 09:06:00 • Reply
rockdoc123 wrote:
Not sure if you’re living in a vacuum or not but the “authority” you reference is up to their necks in controversy as it is being shown that more and more of their claims were not based on peer reviewed literature, something they claimed they did not do.


Yeah, what are we up to, 2 refs from grey literature in a 900+ page document? Horrors.

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Believe what you want…..that’s why there are religions and zeolots.
Please ignore the man behind the curtain.


That consensus page I linked shows a real avalanche of corporate disinformation coming down; most of this nitpicking over the minutest details stems from people acting out tribal impulses, rooting for their professed team. I don't see death threats being bandied about over the niceties of volcanology.

I've done my homework, thank you. None of the counterarguments holds up to my satisfaction, cosmic rays or solar variance or criticisms of the models, etc. I wouldn't worry, though, you'll get your carbon. Copenhagen is proof positive, if you had your doubts about Kyoto. People want cheap energy and they want it now, and damn the consequences. Like I said what the AGW side needs to focus on if they want to accomplish diddly is PR. Make their case clear to someone with a 5th grade education, to people who need pictures on the cash register they work at the fast food outlet, since they can't read.

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essex
4 weeks ago • Saturday 2010-02-06 14:23:00 • Reply
Now its AFRICAGATE
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... agate.html

"Similar in effect to the erroneous "2035" claim – the year the IPCC claimed that Himalayan glaciers were going to melt – in this instance we find that the IPCC has wrongly claimed that in some African countries, yields from rain-fed agriculture could be reduced by up to 50 percent by 2020.

At best, this is a wild exaggeration, unsupported by any scientific research, referenced only to a report produced by a Canadian advocacy group, written by an obscure Moroccan academic who specialises in carbon trading, citing references which do not support his claims.

Unlike the glacier claim, which was confined to a section of the technical Working Group II report, this "50 percent by 2020" claim forms part of the key Synthesis Report, the production of which was the personal responsibility of the chair of the IPCC, Dr R K Pachauri. It has been repeated by him in many public fora. He, therefore, bears a personal responsibility for the error."

essex
4 weeks ago • Saturday 2010-02-06 14:28:00 • Reply
So how much was Pachuari paid? Read on.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... -ways.html


"The IPCC itself meanwhile paid Teri a further £400,000 for its work on the Synthesis Report, although it was only 52 pages."

pablonite
3 weeks ago • Sunday 2010-02-07 08:11:00 • Reply
IPCC Science Designed For Propaganda
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/19702
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Bureaucratic Structure

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was specifically designed by Maurice Strong as a political vehicle to further his objective of crippling the industrial nations. An acknowledged master of bureaucratic systems he set up every segment of the organization for the maximum public relations effect. This meant emphasis on emotional impact, especially by exploiting fear. The first need was to direct and control the science. It was achieved at the 1985 meeting in Villach Austria chaired by Canadian bureaucrat Gordon McBean with Phil Jones and Tom Wigley from CRU in attendance. The second need was for maximizing the fear factor to force political action.

Early stories from the leaked emails identified the obvious illegal and unacceptable activities that do not require understanding of climate science. These related to the work of the CRU members who effectively controlled the chapters on atmospheric chemistry, paleoclimatic reconstruction of past climate conditions, the computer models, and the Summary for Policymakers (SPM).

Maurice Strong is an interesting guy but most people have never heard of him. Strange because in the grand scheme of things when the guy on the left tells the guy on the right to jump...
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Ludi
3 weeks ago • Sunday 2010-02-07 13:10:00 • Reply
pablonite wrote:
Strange because in the grand scheme of things when the guy on the left tells the guy on the right to jump...



And so far almost everyone is ignoring them except for lip service.


rdsaltpower
3 weeks ago • Monday 2010-02-08 06:05:00 • Reply
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opi ... le1458206/ looks like the IPCC is losing creditability daily. 8O

Lore
3 weeks ago • Monday 2010-02-08 07:41:00 • Reply
rdsaltpower wrote:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/the-great-global-warming-collapse/article1458206/ looks like the IPCC is losing creditability daily. 8O


They lost credibility a long time ago when they caved in to political forces, understating the implications of climate change.


mcgowanjm
3 weeks ago • Monday 2010-02-08 08:14:00 • Reply
Lore wrote:
rdsaltpower wrote:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/the-great-global-warming-collapse/article1458206/ looks like the IPCC is losing creditability daily. 8O


They lost credibility a long time ago when they caved in to political forces, understating the implications of climate change.


Meanwhile, the World's Citizens are going to be wondering why the
Himalayas are the warmest ever now.

And January 2010 was the Hottest since satellite records were kept.

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2009 is claimed to be hottest year of India ever. Temperature was ...
07 February 2010. 2009 is claimed to be hottest year of India ever. ... Temperature over (the) hilly regions of the western Himalayas was 3-5 degrees ...

hallosushant.blogspot.com/2010/.../2009-is-claimed-to-be-hottest-year-of.html

pablonite
3 weeks ago • Saturday 2010-02-13 07:33:00 • Reply
U.N. Gets Rolling on Copenhagen Accord, Forms Finance Panel
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/02/12 ... 88171.html
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UNITED NATIONS -- The United Nations moved today to implement a key component of the Copenhagen Accord, announcing the launch of a high-level panel to design and oversee a $100 billion annual fund for climate mitigation and adaptation financing in poor countries.

The Advisory Group on Climate Change Financing must design a mechanism to channel cash from developed nations to projects aimed at protecting agriculture and infrastructure from rising seas and weather extremes...

...The group will also propose strategies for boosting renewable energy and clean technology investments in poor nations in an effort to move stalled international negotiations forward.

"Funding would include both public and private sources," Ban said.

There was no mention made at today's briefing of an additional $30 billion for an annual financing facility that wealthy nations agreed to set up at last December's climate talks in Copenhagen. Though the Copenhagen Accord that was agreed to at the eleventh hour of international negotiations last year lacks details, it does commit developed-nation parties to achieving $30 billion a year in mitigation and adaptation financing over the next three years, growing to $100 billion per year by 2020.

"I will ensure that the results of the group's work are communicated to the UNFCCC Conference of Parties, with the full expectation that the advisory group's work will help build momentum toward the successful negotiation of a comprehensive climate change agreement," Ban said.

...Though officials and top negotiators say they are still aiming to craft a new treaty to replace the Kyoto Protocol by the end of the year, most traders in carbon emissions allowances and offsets do not expect that to occur.

Prospects hinge on whether U.S. EPA imposes greenhouse gas emissions regulations or Congress approves a climate bill. Carbon market lobbyists in Washington say privately that they do not expect a bill to pass until 2011 at the earliest.

Carbon market analysts also report that offset project investors active in the United Nations' Clean Development Mechanism (CDM) -- the main vehicle for mitigation financing and technology transfers in the developing world -- are now pulling back or refraining from launching new initiatives.

Though governments and companies in Europe are still purchasing the CDM offset credits, investors fear the entire scheme will cease to exist once the Kyoto Protocol treaty expires at the end of 2012, rendering the credits worthless....

Correction: The Global Environment Facility is not a part of the World Bank, as stated in previous versions. Its four-year fund is estimated to be worth $3.13 billion.

O'really ?
http://www.gefweb.org/interior_right.aspx?id=50
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The Global Environment Facility (GEF) unites 180 member governments — in partnership with international institutions, nongovernmental organizations, and the private sector — to address global environmental issues. An independent financial organization, the GEF provides grants to developing countries and countries with economies in transition for projects related to biodiversity, climate change, international waters, land degradation, the ozone layer, and persistent organic pollutants. These projects benefit the global environment, linking local, national, and global environmental challenges and promoting sustainable livelihoods.

Established in 1991, the GEF is today the largest funder of projects to improve the global environment. The GEF has allocated $8.8 billion, supplemented by more than $38.7 billion in cofinancing, for more than 2,400 projects in more than 165 developing countries and countries with economies in transition. Through its Small Grants Programme (SGP), the GEF has also made more than 10,000 small grants directly to nongovernmental and community organizations.

The GEF partnership includes 10 agencies: the UN Development Programme; the UN Environment Programme; the World Bank; the UN Food and Agriculture Organization; the UN Industrial Development Organization; the African Development Bank; the Asian Development Bank; the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development; the Inter-American Development Bank; and the International Fund for Agricultural Development. The Scientific and Technical Advisory Panel provides technical and scientific advice on the GEF’s policies and projects.

Sure looks like part of a world bank to me.

So this is how it works, a massive theft of wealth from developed nations to international banking fronts whitewashed by the mainstream media as "global environmental organizations" who then use this money to impose structural adjustment policies on third world nations forcing them to buy inefficient "green" technologies that we are not using ourselves while getting them trapped into a perpetual debt scenario. Sure it might start off with a grant to install a wind turbine, but the devil is in the details of maintaining it and deciding who gets to use its minuscule power output.

If your a tribal third world person living in a straw quonset hut the last person you want to see driving into town in a hummer is someone wearing a 3 piece Armani suit from the The Global Environment Facility because that would mean you have something they want.

KevO
1 day ago • Friday 2010-03-05 01:32:00 • Reply
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8550090.stm

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A review from the UK Met Office says it is becoming clearer that human activities are causing climate change.
It says the evidence is stronger now than when the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change carried out its last assessment in 2007.
The analysis, published in the Wiley Interdisciplinary Reviews Climate Change Journal, has assessed 110 research papers on the subject.
It says the earth is changing rapidly, probably because of greenhouse gases.
In 2007 the IPCC's report concluded that there was "unequivocal" evidence that the Earth was warming and it was likely that it was due to burning of fossil fuels.
Since then the evidence that human activities are responsible for a rise in temperatures has increased, according to this new assessment by Dr Peter Stott and colleagues at the UK Met Office.
The study, which looks at research published since the IPCC's report, has found that changes in Arctic sea ice, atmospheric moisture, saltiness of parts of the Atlantic Ocean and temperature changes in the Antarctic are consistent with human influence on our climate.
"What this study shows is that the evidence has strengthened for human influence on climate and we know that because we've looked at evidence across the climate system and what this shows very clearly is a consistent picture of a warming world," said Dr Stott.
The study brings together other research from a range of disciplines


full article at link, at top


So, we are damned with fossil fuels if we do and we're damned if we don't. One thing is certain. $5 gas by September. $15 gas by 2012?


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