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31 Out Of 47 Obama Appointments Are Clinton Retreads

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Fishman
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 14:29:00 • Reply
a major terrorist attack at home, a war of aggression in the Middle East, unprecedented spying on US citizens, sanctioned torture, secret prisons,

And yet Alquida is calling obama names that will not be repeated here. Making nice with them won't work. Clinton and his folks were pathetic on the issue of terrorism, Cole, embassies being bombed, first trade center bombing. If obama changes any of the above and Alquida comes through on another attack it will be the end of the Democratic Party. BOO HOO this is a war, and the other side has not met obama's election with the glee of Petrodollar.
JJ
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 14:34:00 • Reply
BicycleCommuter wrote:
Voted for Obama, but not a Democrat or Republican...fyi

IMO, the change people are looking for is a change from the policies and actions of the Bush Administration and the Republican Party. So going back to Clinton appointees is going in the right direction to an extent. At least he balanced the budget. Even Republicans like my father and father in law are upset with the direction Bush took the country and the GOP...fiscal irresponsibility and pandering to religion.

For real change we would need to get rid of all current politicians and start fresh...


whenever people talk about the Clinton administration "balancing the budget", I always wonder if they are conveniently overlooking the national debt?
Tanada
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 15:13:00 • Reply
JJ wrote:
BicycleCommuter wrote:
Voted for Obama, but not a Democrat or Republican...fyi

IMO, the change people are looking for is a change from the policies and actions of the Bush Administration and the Republican Party. So going back to Clinton appointees is going in the right direction to an extent. At least he balanced the budget. Even Republicans like my father and father in law are upset with the direction Bush took the country and the GOP...fiscal irresponsibility and pandering to religion.

For real change we would need to get rid of all current politicians and start fresh...


whenever people talk about the Clinton administration "balancing the budget", I always wonder if they are conveniently overlooking the national debt?


How about the fact that Congress is in charge of the budget and the President only suggests how it should go? He( or she) can veto a budget, but nothing can keep Congress from overriding that veto and spending the money any way they want too.
Zardoz
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 15:56:00 • Reply
deMolay wrote:
What does America think?

For a huge percentage of the American population, the Clinton years were a Golden Age. They'll have no problem whatsoever with seeing those people back on the job again.

What they'll be able to do this time, given the current cataclysmic conditions, remains to be seen. Good luck to them.
Plantagenet
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 18:10:00 • Reply
The point isn't that the Clinton appointees are good or bad....its that the whole premise of Obama's campaign was his promise that he would bring change to DC, i.e. his administration wouldn't be made up of the same old people and the usual DC insiders who had contributed to the failed policies of the past (to paraphrase BO's own standard stump speech).

Its getting so bad with all the Clinton retreads that the Obama people are arguing that since Hillary Clinton didn't really have an official post or appointment in the Clinton administration, she shouldn't be counted as a holdover from the CLinton administation when she becomes secretary of state. Very Happy
vtsnowedin
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 18:23:00 • Reply
Sad The Clinton harpy in a top level position of power and influence in the Obama administration? What is he thinking?
We are DOOMED..... DOOMED.!!!
SpringCreekFarm
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 18:29:00 • Reply
Plantagenet wrote:
The point isn't that the Clinton appointees are good or bad....its that Obama promised he would be bringing in new people who weren't the usual DC insiders.


Can you please show a link or something that shows this to be fact?

I thought he campaigned on changing the direction of the country, not on keeping experienced people out of important positions.

Do you Obama haters realize how ridiculous you sound when you go on about all these criticisms? The US is just wrapping up an administration, that left no stone unturned in screwing up the state of the entire world. The very least you could do is accept that.
Plantagenet
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 18:34:00 • Reply
SpringCreekFarm wrote:
...Obama haters...


Take a deep breath. Relax. Ahhhhh....

Now....I hate to tell you this, but people are going to be talking about Obama a lot in the next four years since he going to be the president.

Every criticism of Obama and his policies isn't due to "hate" or to "racism."

Believe it or now, Obama is going to make mistakes and say things that are wrong and that are untrue, just like every other politician has always done. Cool
SpringCreekFarm
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 18:38:00 • Reply
Plantagenet wrote:
SpringCreekFarm wrote:
...Obama haters...


Take a deep breath. Relax. Ahhhhh....

Now....I hate to tell you this, but people are going to be talking about Obama a lot in the next four years since he going to be the president.

Every criticism of Obama and his policies isn't due to "hate" or to "racism."

Believe it or now, Obama is going to make mistakes and say things that are wrong and that are untrue, just like every other politician has always done. Cool


I don't need to relax because I'm not upset. I'm just pointing out how stupid you sound sometimes.
Plantagenet
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 18:40:00 • Reply
SpringCreekFarm wrote:
...Obama haters...


Take a deep breath. Relax. Ahhhhh....

Now....I hate to tell you this, but people are going to be talking about Obama a lot in the next four years since he is going to be the president.

Every criticism of Obama and his policies isn't going to be due to "hate" or to "racism."

Believe it or not, in the next four years Obama is going to make mistakes and say things that are wrong and that are untrue, just like every other politician has always done. Cool

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vtsnowedin
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 18:59:00 • Reply
SpringCreekFarm wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:
The point isn't that the Clinton appointees are good or bad....its that Obama promised he would be bringing in new people who weren't the usual DC insiders.


Can you please show a link or something that shows this to be fact?

I thought he campaigned on changing the direction of the country, not on keeping experienced people out of important positions.

Do you Obama haters realize how ridiculous you sound when you go on about all these criticisms? The US is just wrapping up an administration, that left no stone unturned in screwing up the state of the entire world. The very least you could do is accept that.

When Bush took office Binladin and his gang were already in place and plotting their attack. Our responce would be expected no matter who was in charge. Our stopping at the Pakistanie border and not invading a nuclear power is a reality that has to be accepted. Invading Irag was justified by the actions of S.Husain during gulf war I and the interim between, especially the attempted assination of a former US president.
Wars involve casualtys and the number we have suffered is not large compared to other recent wars. certainly not when compared to the 54,000 lost by the British on the first DAY of the battle of the Somme in WW1.
The Binladin attack was directed at our financial center and was to bring our economy to its knees. For seven years they have failed in this but with the help of peak oil and a Democratic congress they may yet achieve victory.
Yes mistakes have been made. In war they always are but time may shed a much kinder light on the Bush administration then the MSM now choses to show. And it remains to be seen if the incoming president can do any better. I hope he can as we all will share in the bill if he can not.
AlexdeLarge
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 19:59:00 • Reply
Obama's Useful Idiots Discovering They're No Longer Useful

"Barack Obama at least realizes stocking his cabinet with nutroots darlings isn't the way to go."
threadbear
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 19:59:00 • Reply
TreeFarmer wrote:
Just a couple of points against the "Clinton team" to even thigs out.

Clinton could have had Osama Bin Laden but passed.

Clinton appointees and democrat regulation set the groundwork for sub-prime lending and the sub-prime collapse. The pressuring of Fannie and Freddie to take on sub-prime loans and the name Franklin Raines ring a bell?

Disclaimer, at the moment I'm not partisan, both parties have done their share to wreck the country.

TF


The govt under Clinton did more than repeal Glass Steagal.The Neo-libs were the clenched fists of fascism in velvet gloves. Clinton signed off on the three strikes law, drug search and seizure laws. They paved the way for the neo-cons, who simply took the gloves off, and got right behind the prison industrial complex. Don't know much about it? That's because Clinton also signed off on the FCC act that deregulated media. That ushered in an era of intense media consolidation, and allowed hoods like Rupert Murdoch, Fox and Clear Channel to run amok.

There is nothing from the right or "left" of any redeeming value here, except for Obama, himself. God help him. Shocked

Johnson was a barnacle on Kennedy's a**, as H.Clinton will likely be on Obama's, together with half of his "new"cabinet.
Make no mistake, if Obama doesn't play along with Aipac, with his cabinet choices and foreign policy, the media will destroy him. Note all of the democrats kissing up to Lieberman? Riddle me this. Why? An act of appeasement.

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HeckuvaJob
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 21:53:00 • Reply
TreeFarmer wrote:
Clinton could have had Osama Bin Laden but passed.

I voted for Nader and I'm certainly no fan of the Clintons, but I disagree with this oft-cited, right wing talking point.
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When Clinton tried to get anti-terrorism legislation passed in 1996, Republicans fought it tooth and nail. Senator Orrin Hatch, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, went so far as to call certain provisions in the bill "controversial" and "phony" (1) - all of which have since been passed in the wake of 9/11.

To this day there is a popular email floating around that claims that Clinton was offered Osama bin Laden and he refused him. The truth is that the Sudan offered to arrest bin Laden and turn him over to Saudi Arabia. For ten weeks Clinton tried to persuade the Saudis to take bin Laden. They refused to do so for fear of fundamentalist backlash, and the FBI & Justice Department determined there was not sufficient evidence at that time to indict him in U.S. courts. (2)

In 1998, after the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, Clinton bent a President Ford-era ban on assassinations, authorizing the CIA to use deadly force against bin Laden (An attempt was made when operatives fired an RPG at bin Laden's motorcade, unfortunately hitting the wrong vehicle in the convoy). (3)

Clinton also ordered cruise missile strikes on bin Laden's camp in Afghanistan and at a pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan suspected of manufacturing VX nerve gas. This action was met with staunch resistence from Republicans and immediately cries of 'Wag the Dog' dominated the discourse. Further action would have resulted in further attacks from the GOP. He also sponsored legislation that would have frozen the assets of any organizations believed to be funneling money to al Qaeda. It was killed by Republican Senator Phil Gramm of Texas. - The same legislation passed immediately following 9/11. (4)

A number of al Qaeda attacks were prevented under the Clinton administration, including plots to bomb Los Angeles Airport, the UN building, and New York City tunnels. Dozens of international terrorist cells were also neutralized. These successes were praised by a number of counter-terrorism experts, including Robert Oakley, from Reagan's State Department, who gave Clinton high marks but criticized his obsession with bin Laden. (5)

During the transition period in 2001, Clinton's National Security advisor, Sandy Berger...

Full post can be found here.
HeckuvaJob
1 day ago • Thursday 2008-11-20 22:02:00 • Reply
Before I got sidetracked, I wanted to reference an excellent article by Jeremy Scahill (Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army) on AlterNet that discusses this topic:
This is Change? 20 Hawks, Clintonites and Neocons to Watch for in Obama's White House
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U.S. policy is not about one individual, and no matter how much faith people place in President-elect Barack Obama, the policies he enacts will be fruit of a tree with many roots. Among them: his personal politics and views, the disastrous realities his administration will inherit, and, of course, unpredictable future crises. But the best immediate indicator of what an Obama administration might look like can be found in the people he surrounds himself with and who he appoints to his Cabinet. And, frankly, when it comes to foreign policy, it is not looking good.

Obama has a momentous opportunity to do what he repeatedly promised over the course of his campaign: bring actual change. But the more we learn about who Obama is considering for top positions in his administration, the more his inner circle resembles a staff reunion of President Bill Clinton's White House. Although Obama brought some progressives on board early in his campaign, his foreign policy team is now dominated by the hawkish, old-guard Democrats of the 1990s. This has been particularly true since Hillary Clinton conceded defeat in the Democratic primary, freeing many of her top advisors to join Obama's team.

"What happened to all this talk about change?" a member of the Clinton foreign policy team recently asked the Washington Post. "This isn't lightly flavored with Clintons. This is all Clintons, all the time."
(cont'd)
Plantagenet
15 hours ago • Friday 2008-11-21 09:23:00 • Reply
HeckuvaJob wrote:
TreeFarmer wrote:
Clinton could have had Osama Bin Laden but passed.

I voted for Nader and I'm certainly no fan of the Clintons, but I disagree ....


You'd should take this up with Bill Clinton, because Clinton himself admits that Sudan offered to arrest and extradite bin Laden to the U.S. and Clinton declined to take him into custody.

mp3 recording of Clinton himself admitting he was offered bin Laden by Sudan--I'm sure Bill found it difficult to concentrate on things like bin Laden and terrorism after he was subsumed by Monica Lewinsky's ample charms, but its too bad Clinton didn't honor the offer from Sudan!

The fact remains that Al Qaida carried out several horrific attacks against the US during the Clinton administration, and Clinton's failure to take bin Laden into custody in 1996 and his subsequent vaccillating and ineffectual responses to repeated terrorist attacks on US embassies, ships, and military people allowed Al Quada to grow through the 1990s ---- the same period when Clinton's mind was distracted by trifles like using Monica Lewinsky as an living humidor for his cigars.
HeckuvaJob
6 hours ago • Friday 2008-11-21 18:04:00 • Reply
Plantagenet wrote:
You'd should take this up with Bill Clinton, because Clinton himself admits that Sudan offered to arrest and extradite bin Laden to the U.S. and Clinton declined to take him into custody.

Bill Clinton and I are no longer on speaking terms. Thanks for the audio link, but I found it unintelligible. We both agree then, that Sudan offered to arrest and extradite bin Laden to the U.S. and Clinton declined to take him into custody. However, you blame Monica Lewinsky, whereas the research I've conducted points to an apparent lack of evidence and uncooperative Saudis.
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The government of Sudan, employing a back channel direct from its president to the Central Intelligence Agency, offered in the early spring of 1996 to arrest Osama bin Laden and place him in Saudi custody, according to officials and former officials in all three countries.

The Clinton administration struggled to find a way to accept the offer in secret contacts that stretched from a meeting at a Rosslyn hotel on March 3, 1996, to a fax that closed the door on the effort 10 weeks later. Unable to persuade the Saudis to accept bin Laden, and lacking a case to indict him in U.S. courts at the time, the Clinton administration finally gave up on the capture.

from the Washington Post
Taghayee
3 hours ago • Friday 2008-11-21 21:35:00 • Reply
Plantagenet wrote:
The point isn't that the Clinton appointees are good or bad....its that the whole premise of Obama's campaign was his promise that he would bring change to DC, i.e. his administration wouldn't be made up of the same old people and the usual DC insiders who had contributed to the failed policies of the past (to paraphrase BO's own standard stump speech).

Its getting so bad with all the Clinton retreads that the Obama people are arguing that since Hillary Clinton didn't really have an official post or appointment in the Clinton administration, she shouldn't be counted as a holdover from the CLinton administation when she becomes secretary of state. Very Happy


Thats criticizing for the sake of criticizing. When Bush promised to 'clean' the white house, he didnt mean to mop its floors with Mr Clean. I am sure Obama's message of change is meant to a completely different end than one understood by you.
Dreamtwister
59 minutes ago • Friday 2008-11-21 23:51:00 • Reply
My personal favorite so far is future Treasury Secretary, Larry Summers. Ask the Lithuanians about him. After 2 years of him "helping" them transition to a free market economy, back in 1990-1992, they voted communism back in.
Plantagenet
56 minutes ago • Friday 2008-11-21 23:54:00 • Reply
Taghayee wrote:
I am sure Obama's message of change is meant to a completely different end than one understood by you.


So you are suggesting that Obama's "message of change" was to put Clinton and her cronies in charge of most of the White House and government?

Obama himself said in the campaign that he was running against Hillary to stop her and her cronies from taking over the White House again. Now it turns out that Obama is appointing Hillary and her cronies to the vast majority of White House jobs. Obama was extremely vague about what he meant by "change" but I doubt that most people thought that he meant he would staff his own administration with Clinton retreads, and people who were bribe takers for pardons for the Clintons, people who found jobs for Monica after the DNA stains she carefully saved were made public, generic Clinton apologists, and the Clintons themselves. Razz
shakespear1
1 minute ago • Saturday 2008-11-22 00:49:00 • Reply
TreeFarmer

The US is just wrapping up an administration, that left no stone unturned in screwing up the state of the entire world. The very least you could do is accept that.


This is not acknowledged enough IMO when speaking about Obama. The man has been handed the biggest mess one could have imagined as a presidential challenge. The chance to deal with this has been handed to him by someone. My guess is it is the same people who gave Clinton the job. Hence, the same crowd is coming in to deal with the mess as they could not stop Jr. without imploding the Establishment. Recall the Bush Sr. - Baker panel on what to do about Iraq?

As to what would or would not have been done had Jr. Bush lost the first time around. My guess (more like hope) would be that we would not have ended up in Iraq. This would have save us a lot of money and national vitality.

What will be will be and we can all jaw bone all we want. In the end the shots are called in the board rooms Smile

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